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“REMEMBER ME” – A MEMORIAL DAY TRIBUTE TO MY ADOPTED POW*MIA USN CAPT HARLEY H. HALL THROUGH OPERATION JUST CAUSE – AND TO ALL OTHER VETERANS KIA’S, POW*MIA’S   Leave a comment

A MEMORIAL DAY TRIBUTE TO ALL VETERANS,  KIA’S ,  POW*MIA’S

 IN HONOR TO :

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 U.S.N. CAPT HARLEY HUBERT HALL

F4-J PHANTOM JET PILOT

MY ADOPTED  HOMETOWN POW*MIA THROUGH “OPERATION JUST CAUSE”

SHOT DOWN OVER NORTH VIETNAM  THE LAST CASUALTY OF THE VIETNAM WAR

   23rd JANUARY 1973

            FROM VANCOUVER, WASHINGTON

    NEVER FOUND

   ” REMEMBER ME”

HARLEY HUBERT HALL’s  PENTIGON REPORT ON POW/MIA STATUS

 Recovered HARLEY H HALL Recovered  
HALL, HARLEY HUBERT REMAINS RETURNED 06/95 (I.D. disputed)
Name: Harley Hubert Hall Rank/Branch: O5/US Navy, pilot Unit: 
Fighter Squadron 143,
USS ENTERPRISE 
(CV-65) Date of Birth: 23 December 1937 (Broken Bow NE) Home City
of Record: 
Vancouver WA Date of Loss: 27 January 1973 Country of Loss: South 
Vietnam Loss Coordinates: 165129N 1071023E (YO345650) 
Status (in 1973): Prisoner of War Category: 1 Acft/Vehicle/Ground
: F4J Other Personnel In Incident: Phillip A. Kientzler 
(released 1973) 
Source: Compiled by Homecoming II Project 01 April 1990 from 
one or more of the following: raw data from U.S. Government 
agency sources, correspondence with POW/MIA families, published 
sources, interviews. Updated by the P.O.W. NETWORK 2008.
 
 
REMARKS: KIENTZLER TOLD HALL KILLED
SYNOPSIS: CDR Harley H. Hall was the commanding officer of 
Fighter Squadron 143 onboard 
the aircraft carrier USS ENTERPRISE. On January 27, 1973 he and 
his Radar Intercept Officer (RIO), LTCDR Philip A. 
Kientzler, launched in their F4J Phantom fighter aircraft on an 
attack mission against North Vietnamese supplies and logistic 
vehicles 15 miles northwest of Quang Tri, South Vietnam. Hall 
and Kientzler were under the direction 
of an OV10 Forward Air Controller 
(FAC).CDR Hall's aircraft came under intense anti-aircraft fire 
while attacking several trucks and was hit. He made an attempt 
to fly back out to the safety of the sea, but minutes later the 
aircraft caught fire on the port wing and fuselage. Both Hall 
and his co-pilot, LCDR Philip A. Kintzler ejected at 4,000 feet 
and were seen to land 100 feet apart near a village on an island 
in the Dam Cho Chua and Cua Viet Rivers. CDR Hall was seen moving
about on the ground, discarding his parachute. No voice contact 
was made with the men, and the probability of immediate capture 
was considered very high. Numerous aircraft made several passes 
over the area for the next several
hours and were unsuccessful in observing either of the downed 
crewmen. Several emergency beepers were heard intermittently the 
remainder of the afternoon and throughout the night, however, no 
voice contact was established. Active, 
organized search and rescue efforts were subsequently terminated. 
Only Kientzler was released at Operation Homecoming in 1973. He 
reported that during parachute descent they 
received heavy ground fire, at which time he was hit in the leg. 
He last saw CDR Hall as they touched the ground. When he asked 
his guards about his pilot, he was told that he was killed by 
another. No other returned POW reported having knowledge of 
Harley Hall, yet the Pentagon maintained him in POW status for 
over 6 years, and documents were obtained that indicated that he 
was indeed captured. The Hanoi government claims to have no 
knowledge of CDR Harley 
Hall. This former member of the famed Blue Angels flight team 
remains missing. Harley Hall was shot down on the last day of 
the war and was the last Navy air casualty of the Vietnam War. 
He was the last American to be classified Prisoner of War in the 
Vietnam War. Harley H. Hall was promoted to the rank of Captain 
during the period he was maintained as a prisoner.
[hhall.95 08/22/95] DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WASHINGTON D.C. 20340 
 DIA EVALUATION OF INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE SOCIALIST REPUBLIC 
OF VIETNAM IN THE CASE OF COMMANDER HARLEY HALL, USN On 13 July 
1988, during a remains repatriation ceremony in Hanoi, 
representatives of the Vietnamese Office For Seeking Missing 
Persons (VNOSMP) furnished Joint Casualty 
Resolution Center (JCRC) officials with six written investigative 
reports. In the case of Commander Harley H. Hall, USN, the 
written report reiterates much of the information previously 
furnished by the U.S. in the JCRC negotiation narrative. It goes 
on to claim that a "team" as well as two "VNOSMP" specialists," 
visited the location where the Navy officer was; lost, researched
historical documents in the villages and talked to "individuals 
directly related to this incident.
" According to the report, "Commander Phillip" (LCDR Phillip 
Kientzler, returnee) was captured; the other commander was found 
dead and buried in a trench. The investigative team claims to 
have visited the grave site and observed that it had been 
exhumed and the remains taken. The local populace allegedly told 
the team that "from about 1981-1982 up until the present time, 
many people from different areas came to rob the grave, a total 
of as many as eight occasions, the most recent being February 
1988 Because of this, nothing is left in the grave site 
to be recovered. The local authorities carried out an 
investigation concerning the grave robbery but without results.
"The report concludes with the comment that the investigative 
team is not able to recover the remains of this pilot.
While we have no information which would indicate that Commander 
Hall survived to become a captive of the Vietnamese, the claims 
made by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) authorities 
regarding this incident stretch credulity and totally contradict 
their known policies and practices in handling remains of 
Americans based upon all-source intelligence collection efforts 
over a period spanning more than two decades, we can state with 
certainty that there is a centrally administered program which 
Outlines strict procedures for handling the remains of Americans. 
Throughout the war the Communist forces enforced a policy to 
find and bury Americans killed in action, and captured enemy 
documents continually stressed that this effort was important to 
the "political struggle." The procedures required that a full 
written report on the incident be prepared, to include a sketch 
of the burial location. When possible, photos of the Americans 
were supposed to be taken, and all personal effects documents, 
maps, etc. were to be forwarded with the written report up the 
chain of command to Hanoi. 
Americans were buried in marked graves in well defined (if 
primitive by U.S. standards) cemeteries. Buried with them would 
be a paper which included the American's name, date, place and 
cause of death. This procedure was also followed in burying 
Vietnamese soldiers killed in battle. Vietnamese public health 
laws require that remains be buried for at least three years 
before they are exhumed (a common Vietnamese practice) and 
reinterred in a final location. In the case of many Americans, 
after being buried for three years or more, remains were probably
prepared and stored in a warehouse type situation. In the 
specific instance of Commander Hall, if indeed he died at the 
time of his loss incident, one must presume that the outlined 
procedures were followed and he was not simply buried in a 
convenient nearby trench. Further, the area area where he was 
lost was under the control of combat troops at the time, which 
calls into question the Vietnamese claim that it was necessary 
to review village historical documents (which probably do not 
exist) and talk to villagers allegedly involved in the incident. 
Further, had villagers been interviewed and local documents 
researched, the VNOSMP representatives would have certainly 
discovered information on the two Americans who were lost in this 
same area only minutes after Commander Hall's aircraft was 
downed. The claim that the grave was repeatedly robbed by "many 
people from different areas," is highly implausible. In general,
Vietnamese citizens are highly superstitious about the dead and 
are not roaming the country robbing graves. Further, as all 
personal effects would have been previously forwarded to Hanoi, 
it should be well known to any would-be grave robbers that there 
is nothing of monetary value in the grave Over the past several 
years numerous SRV actions and statements appear to be aimed 
toward creating the illusion that they have difficulty accounting
for missing Americans because private citizens are recovering 
and trafficking in remains. This is simply not the case. 
In summary, the report furnished by the SRV is implausible and 
in direct conflict with their known policies and practices. 
Based on the circumstances of Commander Hall's loss we believe 
the communist government of Vietnam has more information and for 
reason; known only to them has decided to concoct this story 
instead. 
TO: Department of Defense From: Mary Louise Hall (Mrs. Harley 
Hall) DATE: September 13,1993 
RE: ALLEGED "ACCOUNTING" for "REMAINS" OF POW HARLEY H. HALL, USN
(3 FRONT TEETH)
 QUALIFIED ACKNOWLEDGMENT UNDER PROTEST FOR OBJECTIVITY AND 
TRUTH 
Dear Sirs:
In response to the recent recovery of three of Capt. Harley 
Hall's front teeth from the site of his downing and capture on 
1 1/27/73 3 in Quang Tri Province, I would like the following to
go on record: While I acknowledge these to be three of my 
husband's correctly identified teeth (confirmed by a dental 
expert), I object most strenuously to the inference that they 
constitute evidence of death, and I by no means acknowledge or 
accept them as an accounting of the person of Harley H. Hall. 
As such, they represent not only insufficient evidence for case 
closure, but more importantly, BLATANTLY CONTRADICT ALL UNITED 
STATES GOVERNMENT ASSERTIONS 
& INTELLIGENCE ON THE HARLEY H. HALL CASE. Specifically, various
U.S. Agencies have consistently maintained that he could NOT 
POSSIBLY have died AT THAT SITE, i.e. Quang Tri, an inference 
drawn from multiple references of captivity elsewhere.Apart from 
the obvious fact that adults frequently lose teeth, which was 
notorious among POWs the condition of the teeth, the fact that 
they are front teeth, and especially the LOCATION of discovery 
all point to a more obvious or plausible explanation. 
Namely, Capt. Hall was either punched, received a blow to the 
mouth by his captors, these teeth were extracted, or fell out 
due to malnutrition and poor care. As to the location of his 
alleged 'death':
1. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE: Naval Intelligence informed me two weeks 
after his downing that Harley had been captured - an absolute 
certainty based on first hand sensitive intelligence. It was 
the U.S. Government itself that had the information to change 
his status to Category I: Capture Confirmed 
 (Early documents sent to me under the Freedom of Information 
Act indicated all four crewmen in Quang Tri incidents that day 
were captured. Capt. Hall remained in Category 1 POW status for 
a full seven years (1973 - 80) until all such cases except 
Charles Shelton, USAF, were altered to 
 "PFOD (Presumptive Finding Of Death)."
2. DR. ROGER SHIELDS: It soon became evident that Harley was not 
only captured, but had arrived at a prison site of some sort. I 
was personally told by POW/MIA expert Dr. Roger Shields that 
Harley's was "one of the compelling, if not THE most compelling 
case of capture he had ever reviewed." 
 "They are holding your husband, Mrs. Hall, one way or another,"
(the inference clearly being 'dead or alive') "and they can 
answer for him and never settle for anything LESS."
3. THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY: NSA files have subsequently 
revealed that Capt. Hall was tracked from battalion to battalion 
to a particular PRISON CAMP ON THE VIETNAMESE/LAO BORDER, hence 
NOT in Quang Tri Province.
4. DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY REPORT: On 13 July, 1988, the 
DIA issued an analysis of Vietnamese reports to General Vessey 
about an "unrecoverable body" in the Quang Tri area which had 
falle "into a trench." DIA analysis countered that this "answer" 
was totally unacceptable, and that the SRV report was a 
concoction "implausible and in conflict with their known 
policies and practices ' regarding Americans.' The area was 
heavily patrolled by North Vietnamese troops who would not 
have to resort to local villagers to account for an American 
downed under their noses 
 (See Attached). Next, local "witnesses" began to tell of an 
American body, allegedly Harley's "buried there,' but digging 
teams repeatedly found nothing. But now the sudden turnover 
of three teeth from Quang Tri is viewed as a "resolution," while 
in fact they in no way mitigate the U.S. Government's previous 
objection to this story and insistence that Capt. Hall could not 
have died there, let alone be buried in an unrecorded spot.
5. CLASSIFIED U.S. FILES: This summer I returned to 
Washington, D.C., to review all pertinent files including 
classified material accessible to families. This reinforced my 
previous conclusion and added the STUNNING NEW REVELATION that 
Harley Hall had been INTERROGATED BY THE SOVIETS (which, 
 I hasten to point out, could not have happened had he "died" 
in the area where his teeth were allegedly lost and recovered 
twenty years later!) This is in startling contradiction to the 
U.S. Government's present bland acceptance of his "death" in the 
Quang Tri area shortly after being shot down
6. REFUGEE STATEMENTS: I realize less credence is given to 
"hearsay" from Vietnamese, but it is no secret that about the 
time of my husband's downing and capture, there was frequent 
recounting of and bragging about "the parading of a big 
Blue Angel" in Vietnam, possibly through Hanoi.
Cases of misidentification and case closing on insufficient evidence 
are not new or unique to my husband's case, but all the above shows 
me is that the United States Government's "highest national priority" 
in this area is to shorten if not eliminate the missing list and close 
the book on as many discrepancy cases as possible, even if it means a 
completely false burial of hundreds of Americans - all to 
expunge the past, achieve e a hasty and slipshod "accounting," 
and facilitate lucrative and politically expedient relation with
Hanoi. As for the incredible statement that "we have no 
information which would indicate Capt. Hall survived to become 
a captive of the Vietnamese, ' one need only consider every 
other agency cited here, and Harley's official POW status, to 
perceive a gross discrepancy and untruth. Some cases are 
genuinely resolved. My close friend, Carleen Blackburn, 
received almost full skeletal remains of her husband (notably 
with FOUR FRONT TEETH MISSING). Other cases are not. and 
perhaps never can or will be resolved. But the most 
unfortunate and painful of all are the FALSELY
 RESOLVED CASES. Thus, after twenty years of almost unbearable 
 limbo and uncertainty, I may now 
 face the worst possible case scenario: an eternal limbo, still not 
 knowing. The three teeth only 
 reinforce the intelligence on capture, while the U.S 
 Government prepares to call the case "resolved" and cease 
 even trying to account. Such a FALSE ANSWER IS WORSE THAN 
 NONE, leaving me with less peace than before, not more!
 I do not reject receiving the three teeth, nor will I take 
 legal action against their identification, because they are 
 indeed Harley's teeth and constitute all I have of my husband 
 at the present moment. Had they been presented in the spirit 
 of further clues or evidence in Harley's case, and not as 
 an unwarranted "accounting" and resolution of ''death," I 
 would even welcome them as one small clue to the mystery of 
 what happened to him in captivity Be assured that my protest 
 does NOT stem from "wishful thinking," ' hoping against hope,
 " or reluctance or refusal to accept death as an inevitable 
 probable outcome. For years, I have imagined, longed for and 
 even dreamed of the dav when I could hold a proper memorial 
 service for Harley when his earthly remains could rest in U.S.
 soil. Then his children and I could experience tbe peace of 
 knowing, and begin to close the long chapter of grief. But to 
 grant burial with full military honors and a full size coffin 
 to three front teeth would not only be ridiculous, but 
 represent acquiescence in a lie. Considering the above, I 
 protest the closure of Harley's case in the strongest possible
 terms, and implore you to leave his name on the honored list 
 of unaccounted for Americans, specifically of "focus" POW 
 cases where he was listed in the first place. (Otherwise, his
 name will wrongfully appear on the "remains returned" list, 
 and many thoughtful Americans will assume that this notorious
 case is finally resolved/settled.)
 To do otherwise on the basis of incomplete and misleading 
 "remains" of three teeth is a travesty and an affront to the 
 truth, as well as yet another blow to the families, who have 
 fought so valiantly (and had their faith so badly shaken) in 
 this cause. This is the least you owe to the men who served 
 and those of us who have paid so  high a price. 
 (signed) Mary Louise Hall, Wife Capt. Harley H. Hall USN 
 549-50-3460
 NETWORK NOTE: As of March 1998, Capt. Harley Hall is still 
 listed by the United States Government 
 as "remains returned." 
=====================
 From: "Barrett Tillman" <btillman63@hotmail.com>
To: info@pownetwork.org Subject: 
 Cdr. Harley Hall
 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:32:20 +0000 
 Gentlemen: Congratulations on your excellent site. 
 It belatedly occurs to me that you
 may be interested in the following article I wrote for The 
 Hook Magazine in 1999.
http://www.tailhook.org/HallSu99.htm
Sincerely, Barrett Tillman

35 years after Harley Hall was shot down, some family members believe

he’s still alive Gwen Davis was getting ready for church in Vancouver

in 1973 when the telephone rang. She learned that her brother

Harley Hall’s F-4J Phantom fighter jet had been shot down on the

last day of combat in the Vietnam War. He was missing. The call

came from Harley’s pregnant wife, Mary Lou, in San Diego and it

started a hopeful vigil that continues today. The hope

will be amplified Sunday, the 35th anniversary of the incident. 

Several family members and friends believe the stalwart Navy

pilot – once the commander of the elite Blue Angels flying team,

an astronaut candidate, and a graduate of Evergreen High School  

and Clark College – may be alive. Perhaps he lives in Russia or

Vietnam. Maybe he’s assumed a new identity. He’d be turning 70.

“He could have even forgotten the language,” said Hall’s niece,

Jamie Butterfield, 43, of Vancouver,who still wears a bracelet

to remembers him. “He could have a new family.” Neither Davis  

nor Mary Lou Hall is convinced that Harley Hall is dead, despite

the U.S. government’s declaration on Tet Feb. 29, 1980, that Hall

was “presumed killed in action.” In 1993, the Hanoi government

returned three teeth and a few bone fragments to the United States.

They were Harley’s teeth, all right, Davis said. “But teeth aren’t

Harley. “After an investigation, the government reported that Hall

probably died on the beach near the wreckage of his plane, and was

buried there in a trench, his remains later scattered by scavengers.

Family objectionsMary Lou Hall filed a formal, written objection to

the government’s contention that the teeth and statements gathered in

Vietnam proved that Hall was dead. She argued the teeth could have


fallen out due to malnutrition or might have been extracted. She


contended a foot-thick file of government papers obtained through the


family’s use of the Freedom of Information Act indicate that he was


taken prisoner and still may be alive. The returned teeth bore signs


of periodontal disease, indicating the pilot had survived some time


after the crash. Two of the teeth had marks indicating they’d been


extracted. X-rays proved only the teeth were Hall’s, family


members said.“Be assured that my protest does not stem from ‘wishful


thinking,’ hoping against hope, or reluctance or refusal to accept


death as an inevitable, probable outcome,” Hall said in her 1993


letter to the Department of Defense. “For years I have imagined,


longed for and even dreamed of the day when I could hold a proper


memorial service for Harley, when his earthly remains could rest in


U.S. soil. Then his children and I could experience the peace of


knowing, and begin to close the long chapter of grief. But to grant


burial with full military honors and a full-size coffin to three


front teeth would not only be ridiculous, but represent acquiescence


in a lie.”Hall said the Navy told her two weeks after he was shot down


that he had been captured. She learned through government documents


that Hall was interviewed in 1978 by Russian intelligence agents in


Vietnam. She and Davis no longer expect to receive more information


from the government, which has closed his case.


Remembering Harley Others don’t know what to believe, but simply wish


to honor a man who served three tours in Vietnam and was shot down by


anti-aircraft guns just 10 hours before the cease-fire.


“I am one of probably many in the area who have not forgotten,” said


retired Camas teacher Doralee St. Clair, who had Hall’s niece, Jamie,


in her second-grade class. “I don’t wear the bracelet anymore. It has


a lot of wear on it, but I can still clearly read his name.


“As the years go by, I think about him once in a while,” St. Clair


said. “I never knew him, but I knew his niece, Jamie, and I wore the


bracelet for many, many years. I wore the first one down until it wore


out and got a second one through Harley’s mother in 1982 or ’83 and


that lasted longer. I wore it through my stay-at-home years, raising my


little family, and through nursing school when I became an RN and then


through years of working at Southwest Washington Medical Center.”


Jamie Butterfield said she has the nickel-plated bracelet that her


father, James Hall, made for her when she was 7 years old. It still


fits but is worn.She now wears a red bracelet instead. Her son, Marc


Butterfield, 20, also wears a bracelet, even though he never knew his


great-uncle.“He has grown up with the stories,” said Butterfield. “He


his bracelet every day. I’ve taught the stories to him and he


has passed it down the line. He is very aware and done papers about it


in school. Remember, the French from World War II had people who were


prisoners for 40 or 45 years. You never know. “Last casualty


Across the country people remember, said Gwen Davis. “It’s people that


we never even knew that are still wearing his bracelet,” she said.


Some pick up bracelets at veterans events, such as those held at the


Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. In Hazel Dell, a 60,000-


square-foot office building at 10000 N.E. Seventh Ave. bears his name.


It was built by developer Larry Pruitt, who attended Clark College


with Hall. It features a memorial atrium with a 12-foot-tall glass


panel etched with an illuminated likeness of Hall that rises


from a pool of cascading water. A second panel features four jets


flying in a missing-man formation.“Harley’s wingman, Terry Heath,


saw Harley go down, saw that he was on the ground, had disengaged his


chute and was running along the beach,” Davis said. “The government


told us then to keep our mouths shut, not cause any waves, that Harley


would be home. When the POWs and Harley’s co-pilot came home in March


of ’73, that was the red flag for me.”The co-pilot, Lt. Cmdr. Philip


A Kientzler, refused to talk to the family, Davis said. She believes


he was told by the government to remain silent. He told investigators


that Vietnamese guards told him Hall had been killed shortly after


the crash. Kientzler died in 2005. Years later, there were reports

that the Viet Cong had bragged about parading a “Big Blue Angel”

through the streets of Hanoi. Hall has gone down in history as the

last Navy casualty of the Vietnam War. He is known as the last

American to be classified as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. But, for

the family, that’s not the end of the story. Dean Baker writes about

military affairs. Reach him at 360-759-8009 or e-mail  

dean.baker@columbian.com

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 THE POW-MIA

I’m just a nameles silhouette; nobody knows my face,
Though many of you pray for me each day;
The man you said you won. t forget, in a dark and distant place.

I am the POW; I am the MIA.

I am a Navy pilot; I am a dead Marine;
I am the wounded grunt they couldn. t find.
But I’m living still, and I. m long dead,

and I. m somewhere in between,

 And I can. t believe that I was left behind. 

They killed me in an ambush, and they captured me alive,
And I died when my Huey crashed and burned.
They over-ran my unit, but I managed to survive,
And they brought me North in chains when they returned.

 

They beat me and they whipped me, and they worked me .

 

til I dropped. To break my will, they made their best endeavor. When great despair had gripped me, still the torture never stopped, And they told me: . We can keep you here forever..

 

They told me that my parents died, that my kids were grown

 

and gone; And my wife lost hope, and married

 

my best friend. But there. s a prayer hold inside, that helps

 

me to go on: That someone still remembers, and you. ll bring me Home again.v

 

I’m just a nameless silhouette; nobody knows my face,
Though many of you pray for me each day;The man you said

 

you won.t forget, in a dark and distant place.

 

 I am the POW; I am the MIA. 

Tim Murphy �. 1986

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